Sunday, 19 August 2012

What is happening to Canada?

Below is taken from the Globe and Mail website. It is the readers' comment section on a story about Kenney's latest attempt to single out the Roma as "bogus refugee claimants". This fact in itself (singling out an identifiable group) reeks of bigotry and arbitrary (ab)use of power (this from a democratically-elected federal official) but it is some of the comments (granted, typical in most other stories) that kind of took me aback after reading recently that Canada is not immune or is likely to suffer Breivik-type attacks from extreme right-wing nuts. Notice how few reasonable voices are (again, typical of G&M comments sections):

Federal government considers detaining Roma refugee claimants, report suggests

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MSM is making me barf

9:11 AM on August 18, 2012

http://www.coe.int/t/commissioner/source/prems/prems79611_GBR_CouvHumanRightsOfRoma_WEB.pdf

Please read this report before all of the ugliness on this board starts. The last article in the Globe concerning the Roma spawned some very ugly racist comments. (connect the ht and the tp for the link!)

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Coreolanus

9:17 AM on August 18, 2012

Detention in humane and secure conditions removed from an urban environment would make sense, especially if an accelerated refugee determination process followed by expeditious return of those found ineligible so that the sojourn in a holding facility would not be long makes perfect sense.

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Goober

9:23 AM on August 18, 2012

Not all Roma are itinerant thieves, just a very large proportion. Which is, in large part, why they face poor treatment everywhere else.

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HarpO Faslst Threat T0 Canada

9:23 AM on August 18, 2012

federal government considers detaining roma refugee claimants, report suggests
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another warning sign of harplers march towards a fasist state

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J.E.R.

9:23 AM on August 18, 2012

I am really not sure what evidence is needed. The EU has very robust anti-discrimination laws and is probably the most liberal part of the planet. The Roma have lots of protection under EU laws to which they can resort, whether in Hungary, the Czech Republic or elsewhere. If they want to come to Canada they should go through the immigration process and prove that they can add value to Canada. Of course, if they could add value to Canada they could probably do so in Europe and would then face fewer problems in Europe.

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C0Nservat1ves L0ve T0 lIe

9:25 AM on August 18, 2012

South Africa police open fire at striking mine workers
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Coming soon to harperland

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dexx8

9:29 AM on August 18, 2012

Kenney should consider lifting harper's Visa. Harper's CPC is committing treason by selling off Canada's resources to communist China, while China is building it's war machine to take on the U.S. Harper is suspected of being a foreign agent working to undermine the North American democracy. I'm hoping that the U.S. CIA has some immediate plans for Mr. Harper.

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Canada1

9:37 AM on August 18, 2012
Federal government considers detaining Roma refugee claimants, report suggests........"and will have significant legal implications,"


"Significant legal implications" is an understatement of the year.

Under what 'stature" or legislation can the government target a certain group of "refugees" for interment, while the only criteria being ethnicity. It will take a lawyer 6 months out of university to punch "holes" in the governments argument without working up a sweat.

Should the government be serious (and have supporting evidence) that the Hungarian Roma are indeed arriving in Canada under false pretenses, slap a visa restriction on Hungary. The Hungarians will scream bloody murder, but the said visa restriction is fair to the Roma as well as to Canada.
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HRoss

9:40 AM on August 18, 2012

This story, and many of the comments on it are deeply disturbing. There has been a great deal in the news lately about the growing neo-nazi movement in Hungary. The government there is doing little or nothing to stop them. They are targeting Jews, Romas and anyone else that they see as inferior. No, the Roma do not get all of the protection that they need from the EU or any other governmental body. These are human beings and people are speaking of them like they're animals.

I fear that we have truly learned nothing from history and are on the precipice of repeating it.

9:40 AM on August 18, 2012

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MSM is making me barf

9:42 AM on August 18, 2012

We can see already that the racists are finding their way to this story, it's like they have some automatic alert going for the word 'Roma'.

Let me ask the Globe monitors this, would you tolerate Recti's comment if it was pointed at some other group? Jews perhaps? The answer of course is no, but for the other major group of holocaust victims it's open season isn't it? The injustice shows itself at all levels.

I think in the end the Roma need to find sanctuary in another country. Canada is an inherently racist state. Always has been, always will be, just with different targets.

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Invictus99

9:44 AM on August 18, 2012

MSN...
You might want to go to Budapest, Praque, etc to see what the Roma are doing there.
Yes, they are a bunch of thieves, and nothing that some bleeding hearts want to do will change that.
That's the problem with someone like you: You have no practical experience, and you only re-hash the politically correct garbage that is rained upon us daily.

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Wolfe1Montcalm0

9:44 AM on August 18, 2012

We have enough problems here. We don't need the Romany aggravation.

Keeping them out will be a victory for common sense over political correctness.

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Molson Light

9:50 AM on August 18, 2012

Watching Roma families documentary show on CBC in Italy & Spain makes me sick. They like their Asia cousins, are thieves, child abuse and leeches. It also makes me sicker when I realize our lawyers using our legal aids funded by our hard earned money aka taxes to defend their claims and abuse of our generous systems designed to protect genuine refugees.
It 's time to boost Roma and those phony refugees out and cut off Legal Aids for those cases.

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Anthony S

9:55 AM on August 18, 2012

"Federal government considers detaining Roma refugee claimants, report suggests "


How can anyone be a "refugee" from the European Union, for Pete's sake?

Forget detaining them, forget investigating their admissibility; anyone from Europe claiming asylum should on the next plane back to Europe.

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April Showers

9:56 AM on August 18, 2012

I'm wondering if the family I saw in an Ottawa department store earlier this year were Roma. They looked a little South Asian to me, but not quite.

They let their young son run his fingers, which never seemed to stop moving, over the displays and didn't interfere as he was making a small pile on the floor out of gift cards. He then joined his mother at an expensive perfume display and immediately reached up to touch the boxes. When he removed a box from the shelf, his mother said nothing but immediately turned around and scanned the room behind her. As her eyes met mine and I continued to stare right at her, she turned to her son, murmured something, and the perfume box went back up.

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Waiuku

10:01 AM on August 18, 2012

The Immigration service is correct to give more detailed attention to the Roma applicants. This is a wandering nation of people who have over centuries been thieves and robbers and have in recent history continued to maintain this lifestyle.
To tar them all with the same brush is unfortunate, but they have constantly failed to demonstrate any change in lifestyle whilst in any of the countries which have allowed them entry.

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SS Ontario

10:02 AM on August 18, 2012

Hey, Globe and Mail "moderators"--how about censoring this comment thread full of right-wing neo-nazi haters? Or is this racism "good racism"?

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H. Incandenza

10:05 AM on August 18, 2012
Anyone who has seen the condition of the Roma, particularly Eastern and Southern Europe, has to say they are legitimate refugee claimants

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